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标题: 俄网下载的报纸版6 贝多芬第五舒伯特第八伯恩斯坦纽约爱乐第一轨少了2分35秒 [打印本页]

作者: CDrom 时间: 2025-9-19 14:23
标题: 俄网下载的报纸版6 贝多芬第五舒伯特第八伯恩斯坦纽约爱乐第一轨少了2分35秒
本帖最后由 CDrom 于 2025-9-19 14:23 编辑

从俄网下载了一张报纸版第6张碟片，贝多芬第五交响曲和舒伯特第八交响曲伯恩斯坦指挥纽约爱乐乐团。发现第一轨贝多芬第五交响曲第一乐章少了1分35秒。缺失处是第1分40秒，少了一小段。只有6分59秒，从这个链接下载的，下载链接:E90FC823308BC4B2C4A6E91D6B61F97C3832757E

而在discogs查询第一轨应该是8分35秒

查看一下你下载的是不是这个版本？原文件包里提供的log是乱码，无法确认抓轨过程。

作者: yur 时间: 2025-9-19 15:00
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作者: wpx426 时间: 2025-9-19 16:52
我保存的报纸版应该是老古董了，非这次的移花接木版，第一轨就是6分多，抓鬼log也显示就是6分多。我也看了手边Bernstein其它集子里和NYPO的版本，都是8分多钟，也许报纸版是特编版？

X Lossless Decoder version 20120226 (139.1)

XLD extraction logfile from 2012-03-14 09:26:13 -0500

Various Artists / Beethoven: Symphony No.5 Schubert: Symphony No. 8 "Unfinished" (New York Philharmonic feat. conductor: Leonard Bernstein)

Used drive : MATSHITA DVD-R UJ-875 (revision DB09)

Ripper mode          : XLD Secure Ripper
Disable audio cache    : OK for the drive with a cache less than 1375KiB
Make use of C2 pointers : NO
Read offset correction  : 102
Max retry count       : 20
Gap status             : Analyzed, Appended

TOC of the extracted CD
   Track | Start  |  Length  | Start sector | End sector
---------------------------------------------------------
      1  | 00:00:00 | 06:58:72 |       0 | 31421
      2  | 06:58:72 | 10:10:63 |    31422 | 77234
      3  | 17:09:60 | 14:20:52 |    77235 | 141786
      4  | 31:30:37 | 13:54:40 | 141787 | 204376
      5  | 45:25:02 | 12:00:13 | 204377 | 258389

List of alternate offset correction values
      #  | Absolute | Relative | Confidence
------------------------------------------
      1  | 389 | 287 |    5
      2  | 267 | 165 |    2
      3  | 117 |    15 |    2
      4  | 732 | 630 |    2

AccurateRip Summary
Track 01 : OK (confidence 2, with different offset)
Track 02 : OK (confidence 2, with different offset)
Track 03 : OK (confidence 2, with different offset)
Track 04 : OK (confidence 5, with different offset)
Track 05 : OK (confidence 5, with different offset)
      ->All tracks accurately ripped.

All Tracks
Album gain          : 0.83 dB
Peak                : 0.809692
Statistics
      Read error                         : 0
      Jitter error (maybe fixed)          : 0
      Retry sector count                : 0
      Damaged sector count                : 0

Track 01
Filename : /Volumes/SAMPLES/Library Rips/Various Artists - Beethoven- Symphony No.5 Schubert- Symphony No. 8 "Unfinished" (New York Philharmonic feat. conductor- Leonard Bernstein) (1985) [FLAC-CD]/01 Symphony No. 5 in C minor, Op. 67： I. Allegro con brio.flac
Pre-gap length : 00:02:00

Track gain          : 0.13 dB
Peak                : 0.611603
CRC32 hash (test run)  : A900F75B
CRC32 hash          : A900F75B
CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 5C8A4059
AccurateRip signature  : 9EAF361E
      ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 2)
      (matched with the different offset correction value;
         calculated using an additional offset of 15;
         the signature after correction is: D4CE78CD)
Statistics
      Read error                         : 0
      Jitter error (maybe fixed)          : 0
      Retry sector count                : 0
      Damaged sector count                : 0

Track 02
Filename : /Volumes/SAMPLES/Library Rips/Various Artists - Beethoven- Symphony No.5 Schubert- Symphony No. 8 "Unfinished" (New York Philharmonic feat. conductor- Leonard Bernstein) (1985) [FLAC-CD]/02 Symphony No. 5 in C minor, Op. 67： II. Andante con moto.flac
Pre-gap length : 00:02:55

Track gain          : 2.34 dB
Peak                : 0.589111
CRC32 hash (test run)  : 129BBCCB
CRC32 hash          : 129BBCCB
CRC32 hash (skip zero) : C3481E33
AccurateRip signature  : 6DB07C88
      ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 2)
      (matched with the different offset correction value;
         calculated using an additional offset of 15;
         the signature after correction is: 7B75707E)
Statistics
      Read error                         : 0
      Jitter error (maybe fixed)          : 0
      Retry sector count                : 0
      Damaged sector count                : 0

Track 03
Filename : /Volumes/SAMPLES/Library Rips/Various Artists - Beethoven- Symphony No.5 Schubert- Symphony No. 8 "Unfinished" (New York Philharmonic feat. conductor- Leonard Bernstein) (1985) [FLAC-CD]/03 Symphony No. 5 in C minor, Op. 67： III. Scherzo. Allegro ／ IV. Allegro.flac
Pre-gap length : 00:02:63

Track gain          : 0.05 dB
Peak                : 0.656036
CRC32 hash (test run)  : 6E7A0FFF
CRC32 hash          : 6E7A0FFF
CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 1E50DF6E
AccurateRip signature  : B44A5135
      ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 2)
      (matched with the different offset correction value;
         calculated using an additional offset of 15;
         the signature after correction is: 3639FB3D)
Statistics
      Read error                         : 0
      Jitter error (maybe fixed)          : 0
      Retry sector count                : 0
      Damaged sector count                : 0

Track 04
Filename : /Volumes/SAMPLES/Library Rips/Various Artists - Beethoven- Symphony No.5 Schubert- Symphony No. 8 "Unfinished" (New York Philharmonic feat. conductor- Leonard Bernstein) (1985) [FLAC-CD]/04 Symphony No. 8 in B minor, "Unfinished"： I. Allegro moderato.flac
Pre-gap length : 00:03:67

Track gain          : 0.75 dB
Peak                : 0.809692
CRC32 hash (test run)  : EB8ED8C7
CRC32 hash          : EB8ED8C7
CRC32 hash (skip zero) : BDDA9DC9
AccurateRip signature  : C9EA6081
      ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 5)
      (matched with the different offset correction value;
         calculated using an additional offset of 287;
         the signature after correction is: BC039C07)
Statistics
      Read error                         : 0
      Jitter error (maybe fixed)          : 0
      Retry sector count                : 0
      Damaged sector count                : 0

Track 05
Filename : /Volumes/SAMPLES/Library Rips/Various Artists - Beethoven- Symphony No.5 Schubert- Symphony No. 8 "Unfinished" (New York Philharmonic feat. conductor- Leonard Bernstein) (1985) [FLAC-CD]/05 Symphony No. 8 in B minor, "Unfinished"： II. Andante con moto.flac
Pre-gap length : 00:02:70

Track gain          : 2.54 dB
Peak                : 0.616272
CRC32 hash (test run)  : D980FDA3
CRC32 hash          : D980FDA3
CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 0256ED6B
AccurateRip signature  : AAAF273A
      ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 5)
      (matched with the different offset correction value;
         calculated using an additional offset of 287;
         the signature after correction is: 492059D7)
Statistics
      Read error                         : 0
      Jitter error (maybe fixed)          : 0
      Retry sector count                : 0
      Damaged sector count                : 0

No errors occurred

End of status report

作者: joseph_li 时间: 2025-9-19 20:03
Log文件用115浏览器在线可以正常打开，与wpx426 兄贴出来的一致。

到Qobuz下了两个CD版本，都是8分35秒的长度。在discogs搜寻，报纸LP版确实有一个时长为6分58秒，碟号为 CBS 60106。以包里封面提供的碟号 CBS 36719查询discogs，第一轨时长应该是8分35秒，不太清楚其原因。报纸CD版时长都是8分35秒，基本可以确定俄网这个是LP抓轨而来。

作者: wpx426 时间: 2025-9-19 20:53

joseph_li 发表于 2025-9-19 20:03
Log文件用115浏览器在线可以正常打开，与wpx426 兄贴出来的一致。

到Qobuz下了两个CD版本，都是8分35秒 ...

其实，找个报纸版的封底看看就知道了

作者: joseph_li 时间: 2025-9-19 21:31

wpx426 发表于 2025-9-19 20:53
其实，找个报纸版的封底看看就知道了

正这么想着呢，哈哈，封底来了

作者: wpx426 时间: 2025-9-20 09:33

joseph_li 发表于 2025-9-19 21:31
正这么想着呢，哈哈，封底来了

感觉这个录音报纸版有2个版本，一个是1，3轨为8，16分钟的，可以确定是1963年录音，而1，3轨为6，14分钟的大概率为1963年录音的剪辑版。

作者: CDrom 时间: 2025-9-20 14:45
对比总谱听了一遍，确认6分58秒的确实少了一段。https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV17t4y1q7Ri/?vd_source=cc50572ca2fb4be1991b54fc4e7aa27d 这是柏林爱乐用的总谱。

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