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某线材厂家对线材原理的说明--无责任图片,违规可删除

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发表于 2017-8-8 08:20 | 显示全部楼层 |只看大图 回帖奖励 |倒序浏览 |阅读模式 来自 山东省青岛市
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 楼主| 发表于 2017-8-8 08:24 | 显示全部楼层 来自 山东省青岛市

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 楼主| 发表于 2017-8-8 10:36 | 显示全部楼层 来自 山东省青岛市
kikyou17 发表于 2017-8-8 09:36
看起来好费劲,有点模糊

图片大小限制,只能压缩了
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 楼主| 发表于 2017-8-8 14:53 | 显示全部楼层 来自 山东省
syjbmwpower 发表于 2017-8-8 14:15
不知楼主是否可以把原版图片上传到网盘,提供链接下载?

额,好麻烦,你需要的话加我Q传给你就行
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 楼主| 发表于 2017-8-8 15:03 | 显示全部楼层 来自 山东省
gaoes 发表于 2017-8-8 14:30
稍微看了一下,应该是厂家对自家线材的设计说明,非广义的线材原理
厂家只会说自己好的地方,里面也提到了 ...

我听了他家的两条低端线,感觉不太好,理论说一堆还是要耳朵收货
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 楼主| 发表于 2017-8-8 16:06 | 显示全部楼层 来自 山东省临沂市
Hottytoddy 发表于 2017-8-8 15:21
没错啊,这篇报告不就是这么说的吗?"最好的测试器材就是耳朵"

这种话消费者可以说,厂家说其实不太好,好像消费者觉得他家线不好,难不成是木耳?
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 楼主| 发表于 2017-8-8 16:11 | 显示全部楼层 来自 山东省临沂市
本帖最后由 gebegebe 于 2017-8-8 16:15 编辑
Hottytoddy 发表于 2017-8-8 16:08
频率越高,电流越积攒在线的外侧。oval线比实心圆柱线电流分布要均匀.oval线就是双线合一,这家的"专利"。
...

我只是大概看了看,有些地方也没看懂,由于我对他家低端线不太满意,所以也没把他家说的话当回事,只是发出来抛砖引玉

hifiman也不是搞线的,不过最近的拓扑振膜和低配香格里拉和妙音新品频出,价格也都是极高,不知道市场能否接受
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 楼主| 发表于 2017-8-8 16:36 | 显示全部楼层 来自 山东省临沂市
Hottytoddy 发表于 2017-8-8 16:28
这其实不是厂家的官方宣传。是研究这个线的工程师自己给写的一篇研发报告,得出的结论就是还是得用耳朵测 ...

这么理解没问题的
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 楼主| 发表于 2017-8-10 13:46 | 显示全部楼层 来自 山东省青岛市
本帖最后由 gebegebe 于 2017-8-10 13:47 编辑

关于线材的资料我已经有很多了,谁能帮忙找下播放软件对声音影响的资料(最好是无DSP情况)?
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 楼主| 发表于 2017-8-23 15:16 | 显示全部楼层 来自 山东省
renmin43 发表于 2017-8-14 13:43
我用过分析家的最便宜的电源线,感觉不错啊。

声音非常中性,而且很凝聚,属于效果立竿见影的。

我感觉有点糊
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 楼主| 发表于 2017-8-23 22:26 | 显示全部楼层 来自 山东省青岛市
jwl126 发表于 2017-8-23 19:33
不是用洋文写的就一定是严谨的学术论文
在hifidiy论坛辩论的时候,有一位“大婶”憋了半天搞了一个英文线 ...

C-MARC™ stands for Common-mode Auto-rejecting Cable.   

C-MARC™ is unlike any other hookup wire or cable currently being produced. It is based on the bucking coil method of noise reduction, used most famously in twin coil pickup designs first developed in the mid-1930's to silence hum from electric guitars.   

   This type of guitar pickup was called the Humbucker because it 'bucks the hum,' i.e. noise, out of the desired guitar signal through phase cancellation of two counter-polarized inductors. When the inductors both induce a common signal, it is induced in opposite polarities by each coil. These opposite polarities then mutually cancel when the two counter-polarized noise currents are combined through simple electrical summation. Humbucking coils are also used in some microphone designs as well as in sensitive sensor technology where induced stray noise is not acceptable and the highest signal to noise ratio is desired.   

LessLoss designs a new type of wire around the Humbucking principleC-MARC™ wire is a special type of Litz wire. It features all of the known benefits of traditional Litz wire without Litz wire's disadvantage of being formed as an elongated coil (inductor).   

   Traditional Litz wire has these advantages over normal 'naked' multi-stranded wire and solid core wire:   
  • Litz wire has a greater ratio of surface area to cross sectional area, resulting in less phase smearing between lower and higher frequencies.
  • Litz wire creates no distortions due to so-called “strand jumping” or diode effects resulting from loosely contacting oxide layers of adjacent naked strands.
  • Litz wire is more flexible, practical and safer than solid core wire of the same large cross sectional area.
C-MARC™ wire shares all of the above advantages of traditional Litz wire, and advances the art with these additional unique benefits:     

    (1) Traditional Litz wire is bunched and then twisted in only one direction, leading to the formation an elongated group of uni-directional coils (inductors) of differing diameters, in structure resembling elongated overstretched springs of different sizes.     

    [fig. 1. (pending): Sketch of typical Litz structure where multiple coil diameters and single coil turn direction resemble several overstretched springs bunched together. This structure allows high speed of production.]     

    [fig. 2. (pending): Each long separately insulated Litz wire can be seen as a separate coil of a given diameter and step. The different diameters are a result of the bunching before mutual twisting.]     

    [fig. 3. (pending): Individual wires of differing thicknesses are bunched together to form different geometries. Many variations of Litz structure exist, most founded upon the main idea of first bunching and then twisting into spirals.]     

"Type 7" Litz    [fig. 4. (pending): Some manufacturers offer braided Litz wire. This wire also is formed from initially bunched and mutually twisted strands before braiding. This type of wire is often referred to as Type 7 Litz wire and is compressed after braiding the twisted bunches into an overall rectangular shape before tape wrapping and over-extrusion.]     

How C-MARC™ is profoundly different    In contrast, C-MARC™ wire goes down to the very fundamentals in a completely mirrored, balanced geometry. It aligns every Litz strand's clock-wise turn with a corresponding counter-clockwise turn of exactly mirrored diameter and step along the length of the wire. These two resulting spirals are mutually superposed in counter-braided fashion. Noise is thus induced in exactly opposite polarities and in exactly mirrored amplitudes, while the good signal is common to both spirals. The two counter-polarized noise signals mutually cancel when the two counter-polarized currents are combined through simple electrical contact at both ends of the wire. Thus, through auto-rejection of opposing electrical phase through summation at the ends, C-MARC™ wire perfectly counters the noise induction, whether from external sources or self-induced, which normally pollutes every other twisted Litz wire assembly. In this way, C-MARC™ wire achieves signal transfer which is corrupted substantially less than the industry has been able to achieve through other means.     

    [fig. 5. (pending): C-MARC™ Litz schematic layout. The clockwise and counter-clockwise spirals are mirrored in diameter, step and wire gauge, while at the same time being superposed in relation to one another. This results in opposite phase induction within the very structure of a single polarity line. While production speed is substantially slower, the silence of operation of C-MARC™ wire is far superior to standard Litz structures.]     

    (2) This is not all. LessLoss C-MARC™ wire features two-scale "fractal" replication of the aforementioned mutually superposed counter-twisted layout. This mirrored and nested structure further enhances the mutual cancellation of counter-polarized inductive twists, while at the same time allowing enlarged overall cable cross-sectional designs which serve to further lower resistance without at all sacrificing signal fidelity or flexibility.     

    [fig. 6. (pending): C-MARC™ shown in two-scale fractal replication. Everything that occurs geometrically at the core level is again repeated at the larger level, thus further reducing induction of noise. Just as the initial clockwise and counter-clockwise spirals are mirrored in diameter, step and wire gauge, while at the same time being superposed in relation to one another, so, too, at the larger level. This makes the cable a very silent performer while not influencing the natural tone color of sensitive signals throughout the frequency spectrum.]     

What this meansC-MARC™ is intrinsically the most silent wire on the planet and provides pure transmission of signal. The degree of silence of the working solution is in direct proportion to the degree of superposition of the counter-polarized twists as well as in the degree of their mirrored equality in terms of turn radius, step and resistance. The idea being that in the best of worlds, both opposite "polarities" of a single lead of C-MARC™ wire induce the exact same noise, and a perfect summation to zero will result at both ends of the line.     

    (3) Because the individual enameled wires which make up the unique Litz structure of the C-MARC™ wire are so small in diameter (0.125mm), this further enlarges the ratio between total surface area and total cross section for even better phase relationship along the entire spectrum.     

    (4) This structure further enhances flexibility and ease of bed on any axis, especially for large cross section cables, without unnecessarily enlarging the entire cable assembly.     

    (5) The strands used in C-MARC™ wire are covered with thinnest technically possible colorless enamel. They are solderable once tinned in a soldering pot.     

    (6) There is no plastic throughout; instead, C-MARC™ wire and cables are insulated with tightly braided 100% natural, gassed and macerated cotton fiber with double coverage for added protection. This results in a very lightweight, highly flexible, naturally sounding product with today's best performance characteristics for delicate audio applications with an enormous signal-to-noise ratio.   
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 楼主| 发表于 2017-8-23 22:29 | 显示全部楼层 来自 山东省青岛市
本帖最后由 gebegebe 于 2017-8-23 23:02 编辑

有兴趣的可以看一下LESSLOSS的线材是如何“滤波”的http://www.lessloss.com/cmarc-power-cable-p-224.html


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 楼主| 发表于 2017-8-31 13:26 | 显示全部楼层 来自 山东省青岛市
顶下。
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 楼主| 发表于 2017-9-23 18:30 | 显示全部楼层 来自 山东省青岛市
还是要说明下,我个人不太喜欢analysis和lessloss,只是拿来举例
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 楼主| 发表于 2018-1-8 23:05 | 显示全部楼层 来自 山东省青岛市
lessloss出升级版的线了,贵很多。analysis的MK2基本不加价,比较良心,虽然设计基本一样。
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 楼主| 发表于 2018-2-28 08:51 | 显示全部楼层 来自 山东省青岛市
我听的是Lessloss C-MARC和Analysis Oval2 MK2这两条价格相近的电源线
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 楼主| 发表于 2018-3-6 10:04 | 显示全部楼层 来自 山东省
renmin43 发表于 2018-2-28 10:22
才1000块的价位,和贵价线当然没法比。

我喜欢结像精细,不那么厚暖的声音,感觉分析家的电源线配耳放 ...

后来听过oval2 mk2了。
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