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实践证明,USB线对声音影响很大

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发表于 2020-9-28 15:13 | 显示全部楼层 来自 新加坡
纯数字传播线 -- 网线,USB
我盲听明听都听不出区别来
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发表于 2020-10-10 07:58 | 显示全部楼层 来自 新加坡
这个问题其实已经有人问过usb.orghttps://www.head-fi.org/threads/on-usb-cables-and-controller-transfer-modes-a-series-of-questions-to-replies-from-usb-org.565791/

我不确定你们能不能看到,所以我把发问者和回答的email贴在这里
发问:
From: svyr [mailto:xf_mad:gmail.com]Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 4:27 AMTo: admin [AT] usb.orgSubject: usb audio (class 1 and 2) and cable affecting sound?Hello,Major debates are raging about Class 1 or 2 USB audio devices (TE7022,TAS1020B, etc receiver chips),operating in adaptive or asynchronous isochronous modes being or notbeing affected byby 'quality' of the USB cable used.(http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/554008/don-t-get-why-audiophile-usb-cable-would-improve-sound-quality/645#post_7651352)I'm not going to bore you with much detail, but people seem to think'audiophile' cables,somehow improve sound quality by "reducing transmission errors and'jitter'" over to spec/certifiedUSB cables.They also seem to think custom cables improve sound byusing better shielding/allegedly higher conductivity wires.Personally I think it's all expensive placebo and waffle and becauseof the cost/margin on some of thosecableshttp://www.wickeddigital.com.au/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=joomlaplates.tpl&product_id=801&category_id=80&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=53fraud.I was wondering if usb.org could comment on the issue, including anyinfluence they thinkan after-market USB cable can have theoretically, and perhaps empirically.Best Regards,[svyr]

发件人:svyr [mailto:xf_mad:gmail.com]
发送:2011年8月3日,星期三,4:27 AM
收件人:admin [AT] usb.org
主题:USB音频(1类和2类)和电缆会影响声音吗?

你好,

有关1级或2级USB音频设备(TE7022,
TAS1020B等接收器芯片),
是否以自适应或异步等时模式运行
受...的影响
通过使用的USB电缆的“质量”。
(http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/554008/don-t-get-why-audiophile-usb-cable-would-improve-sound-quality/645#post_7651352)


我不会给您带来太多细节,但是人们似乎认为
“发烧级”电缆,
通过“减少传输错误和
“抖动””超过规范/认证
USB电缆。他们似乎还认为定制电缆可以通过以下方式改善声音:
使用更好的屏蔽/更高电导率的电线。

我个人认为这都是昂贵的安慰剂和华夫饼干,因为
其中一些成本/利润
电缆线
http://www.wickeddigital.com.au/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=joomlaplates.tpl&product_id=801&category_id
= 80&option = com_virtuemart&Itemid = 53
舞弊。

我想知道usb.org是否可以对此问题发表评论,包括任何
他们认为的影响
售后市场的USB电缆在理论上和经验上都可以使用。

最好的祝福,
[svyr]

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发表于 2020-10-10 07:59 | 显示全部楼层 来自 新加坡
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[quote name="TechAdmin [AT] usb.org"]to svyrdate Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 5:46 AMsubject RE: usb audio (class 1 and 2) and cable affecting sound?Hello [svyr],USB transmits information digitally. Bits are either received correctly ornot received. What a bit looks like on the wire has no effect on quality ifthe bit is received correctly. If a bit is not receive correctly, errorchecking in USB protocols will flag the error in data transmission.Jitter is not a cable problem. Jitter is a transceiver (PHY) issue on thedevices.Can bits get scrambled within a cable assembly on occasion? Yes, primarilydue to EMI but this is highly unlikely -- more on that later. Is occasionaldata scrambling a problem for audio/video? Maybe. The answer depends on thehardware receiving/rendering the data.USB supports isochronous transport which is a timely delivery of data. Theisochronous transport has guaranteed bandwidth on USB. Isochronousprotocol, however, does not support error recovery. In other words, if datais flagged as an error by the receiver, there will be no attempt at dataretransmission. So if the receiver is using the isochronous protocol, thenthere can be errors in data. Most webcams use the isochronous transport.High-end audio/video equipment that does not mandate real-time delivery ofdata should not use the isochronous transport because accurate data deliveryis not guaranteed.USB also supports bulk transport. The Bulk transport shares bandwidth andtimely delivery is not guaranteed. Bulk protocol does have error recoveryand errors in data will be retried. If the receiver uses the bulk USBprotocol, then there will be no errors in the data. This is why USB massstorage devices always use the Bulk transport.Most USB audio/video devices use the bulk transport because real-timedelivery of the data is not necessary. Bulk audio/video devices will bufferdata before rendering it. I can think of only two situations where theaudio/video will be disturbed when rendered: 1) If the host is busyperforming IO to other USB devices, or 2) There are errors in datatransmission where continual retries cause buffer under-run to occur. Thesecond point could be cable related -- it could also be poor hardware designof the host or peripheral as well. The USB Bulk transport works very nicelyfor audio and video because data is accurately delivered. Now onto cable quality. A cheap USB cable will work perfectly fine in thevast majority of home/office environments. All USB certified cables usecertified connectors and are shielded, have minimal skew on the data lines,and meet criteria regarding impedance and voltage drop. If the environmentis extremely noisy with EMI, then a better shielded cable may be necessary.Usually relocating the cable or power strips will suffice to mitigate EMI.Personally, I would never recommend anyone buy an expensive USB cable unlessthey are experiencing problems not related to their hardware and thereexists definitive suspicions of environmental interference. I do alwaysrecommend that the cable purchased be USB certified which provides assurancethat the product is properly designed for USB. Using USB certifiedaudio/video equipment also assures that the USB signal quality and otherpacket parameters of the transceiver meets specifications.Of course, all of the above is premised upon properly designed andfunctioning hardware.Regards,Mark PaxsonUSB-IF Compliance AdministratorTechAdmin@usb.org(ReplyID 110804.105337)

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发表于 2020-10-10 08:01 | 显示全部楼层 来自 新加坡
[quote name =“ TechAdmin [AT] usb.org”]
到svyr
日期2011年8月5日星期五5:46 AM
主题RE:USB音频(1类和2类)和电缆会影响声音吗?

您好[svyr],

USB以数字方式传输信息。 比特被正确接收或
没收到。 电线上的外观对质量没有影响
该位被正确接收。 如果没有正确接收到一点,则报错
检查USB协议将标记数据传输中的错误。

抖动不是电缆问题。 抖动是关于
设备。

有时电缆组件中的位会变得混乱吗? 是的,主要
由于EMI,但这种可能性很小-稍后再讲。 是偶然的
数据加扰音频/视频问题? 也许。 答案取决于
硬件接收/渲染数据。

USB支持同步传输,可以及时传输数据。 的
同步传输保证了USB上的带宽。 等时
但是,该协议不支持错误恢复。 换句话说,如果数据
被接收器标记为错误,将不会尝试数据
重传。 因此,如果接收器正在使用同步协议,则
数据中可能有错误。 大多数网络摄像头使用同步传输。
高端音频/视频设备,不要求实时交付
数据不应使用同步传输,因为准确的数据传递
不能保证。

USB还支持批量传输。 批量传输共享带宽,
不能保证及时交货。 批量协议确实有错误恢复
并将重试数据中的错误。 如果接收器使用大容量USB
协议,那么数据中就不会有错误。 这就是为什么USB大量
存储设备始终使用批量传输。

大多数USB音频/视频设备使用批量传输,因为实时
不需要传递数据。 大量音频/视频设备将缓冲
数据渲染之前。 我只能想到两种情况
渲染时音频/视频将受到干扰:1)如果主机忙
对其他USB设备执行IO,或2)数据错误
连续重试导致缓冲区不足发生的传输。 的
第二点可能与电缆有关-也可能是不良的硬件设计
主机或外围设备。  USB批量传输效果很好
用于音频和视频,因为数据可以准确传送。

现在谈谈电缆质量。 便宜的USB电缆将在
绝大多数家庭/办公室环境。 所有使用USB认证的电缆
经过认证的连接器,并经过屏蔽,数据线上的歪斜最小,
并符合有关阻抗和电压降的标准。 如果环境
如果电磁干扰非常嘈杂,则可能需要使用更好的屏蔽电缆。
通常,重新放置电缆或配电盘足以减轻EMI。

我个人不建议任何人购买昂贵的USB电缆,除非
他们遇到与硬件无关的问题
存在对环境干扰的明确怀疑。 我总是
建议购买的电缆经过USB认证,以确保
该产品是针对USB设计的。 使用USB认证
音频/视频设备还确保USB信号质量和其他
收发器的报文参数符合规格。

当然,以上所有条件均以适当的设计和
功能正常的硬件。

问候,
马克·帕克森
USB-IF合规管理员
TechAdmin@usb.org
(ReplyID 110804.105337)
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发表于 2020-10-10 08:02 | 显示全部楼层 来自 新加坡
以上的体温和回复仅代表USB.org看法,个人不发表任何意见
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发表于 2021-11-29 12:28 | 显示全部楼层 来自 新加坡
其實也可以魔法打敗魔法就是錄音試聽啊
上一次電源綫錄音總之是翻車了
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